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Navigating the World of Psychology: A Cross-Country Exploration

This article has been adapted from episode 125 of The Aspiring psychologist Podcast. If you prefer you can listen here or watch here. 

Embarking on a journey through the diverse landscape of psychology, with a hint of Celtic charm, we delve into the intriguing differences between Ireland and the UK in training and qualifying counselling psychologists. Join us as we uncover the nuances of professional pathways and international opportunities in the field.

The Aspiring Psychologist Podcast, hosted by Dr. Marianne Trent, offers a captivating insight into the realm of psychology and mental health. In a recent episode, Dr. Trent welcomed Dr. Leora DeFlumere, a counselling psychologist with a unique perspective bridging America and Ireland. Their conversation navigated through the intricacies of training, qualifications, and professional practices, shedding light on the distinct features of each country's healthcare systems.

Dr. DeFlumere's journey into psychology began in the heart of America, where she pursued a double major in anthropology and psychology. However, her path led her across the Atlantic to Ireland, where she embarked on a transformative academic and professional voyage. The transition from the bustling streets of North Carolina to the serene landscapes of Ireland marked a pivotal moment in her life, shaping her identity as a psychologist and global citizen.

One of the striking disparities illuminated in their discussion was the contrasting approaches to funding and employment post-qualification. In Ireland, recent strides have been made to secure paid funding for counselling psychologists within the Health Service Executive (HSE), mirroring the support offered to clinical psychologists. This landmark initiative not only elevates the status of counselling psychology but also addresses the shortage of mental health professionals in public healthcare settings.

In contrast, the UK's National Health Service (NHS) presents a different landscape, with no obligatory post-qualification employment requirements for clinical psychologists. Despite the undeniable similarities in training programmes between counselling and clinical psychology, discrepancies in recognition and funding persist, underscoring the need for greater parity and recognition of diverse professional pathways.

The conversation further navigated the intricacies of healthcare delivery and accessibility, highlighting the challenges faced by both countries in meeting the evolving needs of their populations. While both Ireland's HSE and the UK's NHS strive to provide comprehensive healthcare services, issues such as waiting times and resource allocation pose significant hurdles in ensuring equitable access to mental health support.

The podcast discussion also touched upon the implications of Brexit on professional mobility and recognition within the field of psychology. Despite the uncertainties surrounding geopolitical shifts, the seamless exchange between Ireland and the UK underscores the interconnectedness of their healthcare systems and the shared commitment to excellence in mental health care provision.

Dr. DeFlumere's professional journey culminates in her current role as a private practitioner, specializing in supporting individuals navigating the transition to parenthood. Drawing from her personal experiences and professional expertise, she offers a holistic approach to maternal mental health, encompassing fertility support, prenatal care, and postnatal wellbeing.

Her innovative initiatives, including free support groups and workshops, reflect a commitment to bridging gaps in maternal mental healthcare and fostering a supportive community for individuals embarking on the journey of parenthood. By acknowledging the diverse needs and experiences of individuals, Dr. DeFlumere exemplifies the transformative potential of psychology in promoting holistic wellbeing.

As the podcast episode draws to a close, listeners are left with a profound appreciation for the rich tapestry of psychology, interwoven with cultural nuances and professional intricacies. Dr. Trent and Dr. DeFlumere's dialogue serves as a beacon of insight and inspiration, inviting us to embrace the complexities of the human psyche and embark on a journey of discovery and transformation. Stay tuned for the continuation of this illuminating conversation in the next instalment of the Aspiring Psychologist Podcast.


Dr. Leora DeFlumere's insights and experiences shed light on the often overlooked aspects of mental health care, especially in the realm of fertility treatment and the transition to parenthood. Her perspective on the need for more comprehensive support for individuals undergoing fertility treatments underscores the importance of addressing reproductive trauma and the emotional toll it can take.

Additionally, Dr. DeFlumere's discussion on "matrescence" highlights the significant shifts in identity, hormones, and lifestyle that occur during the transition to motherhood, emphasizing the need for acknowledgment and support for these experiences. While societal focus often centers around mothers, there's a clear call for more recognition and resources for all individuals navigating the journey to parenthood, regardless of gender.

Lastly, her advice for aspiring psychologists to deeply understand their motivations and the specific programs they wish to pursue serves as a valuable reminder of the importance of alignment between personal values and professional goals in the field of psychology.

As always, if you found this episode informative and engaging, don't forget to follow Dr. Leora DeFlumere on Instagram as @thegentlepsychologist for more insights and updates. And if you have any ideas for future podcast episodes, be sure to reach out and share your thoughts with Dr. Marianne Trent.

Thank you for tuning in to the Aspiring Psychologist podcast. Stay tuned for more enlightening conversations and remember, your mental health matters.

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